The public sentiment regarding Russian drone incursions into NATO airspace is predominantly negative, reflecting deep divisions and skepticism towards both Russia's actions and NATO's response. Many commenters are alarmed by Russia's provocations and criticize NATO for its perceived inaction or weakness, calling for a stronger military response. There is a considerable amount of frustration directed towards the effectiveness of current strategies, with some comments suggesting misinformation or false flag operations at play. Overall, a sense of fear regarding the security of Europe and the potential for escalating conflict underpins much of the discourse.

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Just shoot them down already.  Turkey proved that all you need to do is slap russians down and they’ll stop provoking your country.

Awkward_Ostrich_4275

They’re testing Trump reactions. 

They regularly mess with airspace to see response times and launch locations but imo these incursions are specifically to see how 

A) NATO nations respond and prep

B) testing trumps role and influence on the alliance

McRibs2024

bsproutsy

Far_Out_6and_2

I try to keep in mind that a critical thing that needs to happen for Putin to meet his end goal is for the US to pull out of NATO. The way to make that happen is to destabilize the US as much as possible. And the way to do that is to enable and support a regime that will hollow out all of our institutions and pit us against each other so we’re too compromised to put up a fight.

It doesn’t really matter \*what\* kind of regime it is. If a Buddhist regime or a pro-Alanis-Morrissette regime would cause enough chaos to collapse the place, they’d focus on enabling that one. They pick the one that is most likely to mess a place up based on its existing weaknesses. In the US, it’s racism and religious fundamentalism, which should come as no surprise given that the country was founded by religious fundamentalists and had a civil war over racism. The fact that the people using racism and fundamentalism against us are racist fundamentalists themselves is a bonus. It makes it easier because everybody’s speaking the same language, and it helps speed things up because the people you've installed share your beliefs and are actively pulling for you.

I try to keep this in mind when big domestic things happen. What does it mean that Elon is Dogeing? Oh my God, everyone is being deported and our own military is invading us. What is a groyper? The answer to each specific question is interesting and worth knowing. But one big answer that applies to everything that is happening is “This is what it looks like when you install a bunch of Christian Nationalists and help them gain absolute power. The entire country falls apart and outside interests get to do what they want.”

This helps keep me from getting hung up on the details and worn out trying to analyze each event. Is the destabilization of my country proceeding apace? Yes. It sure is.

I have thought for a very long time that, while domestic forces in the US jockey for power, what Putin is waiting for is for the US to pull out of NATO. I have also thought that, once they get that done, it’s curtains for Trump. Since 2015, I’ve thought that’s what Trump was put here to do. I know I link this thing all the time, but I’m going to link it again. It explains what I think is behind so much of what’s happening lately. Putin told us exactly what he was going to do, and by God is he doing it.

Dugin’s To-Dos

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Downtown_Statement87

Russia can't even win in Ukraine. What r they going to do against NATO?

nickMakesDIY

QHCprints

Putin is testing Trump, who we all know is really a big, orange TACO, PUSSY! Nato meeds to stop this BS NOW!

LeadBusy6704

There was a "leak" around tlgrm channels of some random french map with polish, romanian, french , and uk forces deployment in ukraine. 

Kinda seems that these incursions are russkies showing the range of their drones, since from what Ive seen, they are sending unarmed spy drone models to be noticed.

Like a rattlesnake making noise to let you know you're close enough to be biten.

ReasonablePossum_

Russia isn’t just asking for it, they asked and then mooned us, while keeping begging for a response.

pongomanswe

Fritzkreig

Russia won't stop doing this unless NATO starts shooting down any Russian aircraft that violates NATO airspace.  Putin only understands the language of force.

Maaster_Mind

So the Poland drones weren't an accident. Shocking....

The_bruce42

Might as well shoot the bloody thing down at this point.

ManicPanda767

Dramatic_Charity_979

m0fugga

In my country we call this "Russland rüttelt am Watschenbaum", translated roughly to *Russia is shaking the smacking-tree* waiting for a smacking to drop.

SBR404

It's time to start violating some Russian airspace!

TacosAreGooder

These are taunts, not attacks.  When Russia attacks, they'll get a response.  Kudos to NATO and EU for letting the toothless bear named Putin not get any satisfaction

Pdx_pops

If they want to provoke NATO so bad we should mobilize to Ukraine and liberate them.

chaseonfire

NATO has their pens UNCAPPED and READY to write an angry letter.

LemmeLaroo

Im not even sure NATO will get out of bed for this

ferrarinobrakes

Lonely-Abalone-5104

Howiop

NATO needs to send 10's of thousands of (cheap) drones to do air tours over Russia. Let them incur the time and costs of shooting them down.

Several-Opposite-746

Trump wants to go to war to avoid elections in the USA

oct2790

NATO should have been like turkey from day one. Anything ruzzian enters airspace, is immediately shot down.

fuckincommunists

No_Method5989

If you are stupid enough to think that Putins Russia has any “Cold War” ability to do anything other than what He’s been doing for the last decade?   Buy a red hat w stupid words on it

TimHuntsman

Europe on high alert. NATO includes Russia’s ally, America.

TeaAndLifting

The more I think about it, its a good play actually. 


Us isn't reliable(in terms of NATO)  so a good time to proble for weakeness. The big one is propably so NATO countries hoard weapons instead of sending to ukraine. That and investing money in domestic military instead of aid packages to Ukraine. 


Will need more drones for that but if you look at it from that point it makes sense. 

Mannipx

They are just trying to slow weapon shipments to Ukraine

hupo224

NATO should grow a pair and start fighting back. Station troops along the border, set up camps and field hospitals, start doing small drone incursions as well. Start saying Kaliningrad is part of Germany. Extend the Ukrainian front by thousands of kilometres and make Russia put troops there.

essuxs

Rubio is again going to say that they did not do it on purpose.

_WhatchaDoin_

All barks, no bites. And I don’t mean Russia here.

Far_Car430

Russia is making NATO use their military assets to protect NATO countries rather than send them to Ukraine

Remoteatthebeach

Probably to distract NATO while trump goes and loots Venezuela.

Icanthinkofanam

manniesalado

moreflywheels

Violate their airspace. Send drones to Donbas though Russia from Poland and Romania. if that doesn't end it. Send drones from Sweden, Finland, Norway, Estonia, Lithuania, and Latvia.

Secure-Window-5478

Attempting to humiliate the US and Europe. They both need to play it cool and calculated.

sumo_snake

Russia is attempting to fragment NATO by forcing a triggering of Article 5, and seeing who doesn't respond. The likelihood is that it would only be 'northern' NATO, with the US and 'southern' NATO wanting to sit it out. Thus rendering NATO pointless and causing its collapse.

However, that doesn't mean a new NATO 2.0 couldn't be formed, with the dead wood that is currently failing to meet their NATO commitments anyway, removed.

Sir_Edna_Bucket

klautkollector

At this point, NATO should fly a few into their airspace and see how they respond.

O_gr

This is like the raptors testing the fences in Jurassic Park

jankyt

Alright time to send some drones to violate them

TRDPorn

Putin is about to have to concede to Ukraine and pull his troops out. His economy is fucked and the military is tired and shite.

It's time to leave, pretend he's the strong man and not the weak and pathetic lap dog who only has a loud bark with nothing to follow through with. 

I mean honestly, if he's struggling to fight Ukraine, do you really believe he can handle the rest of Europe? The guy will be dead before they ever have a chance of being powerful again.

rybouk

Putin is testing the European NATO member countries. He knows that he has Trump is his pocket but he is trying to find out whether Poland, Germany, Britain, France etcetera will respond to his aggression and  I think he is making a big mistake. Given the state of the Russian military at this point and the fact that most of it is committed to Ukraine I think it’s unlikely that Russia could handle Poland alone at this point.

ArtinPhrae

NATO will do something in 2 weeks, I’m sure.

If I were Poland I’d be doing something right now, like enforcing a no-fly zone along the border of Ukraine, regardless of NATO.

Sargent_Duck85

Why would nato sacrifice any of there people while Ukraine is killing Russians wave after wave?

Russia is being embarrassed daily by Ukraine and they’re just getting better at blowing up Russian assets for Pennie’s on the dollars.

😂😂

Training_Number_9954

I think Putin’s plan is to attack the Suwalki gap while Trump is in office, so that America won’t do anything, and he’s gambling that’ll break the alliance.

RepulseRevolt

Trump will order the US to be in the side of Russia before his term ends

WeirdSmiley-TM

Lmao yeah right. Russia could literally bomb a NATO city and NATO wouldn't do shit except be mad.

I am 100% against Russia, but the reality is that NATO will do ANYTHING to avoid confrontation with Russia. How many countless times has Russia violated airspace, treaties, agreements etc. with basically zero consequences.

TheWhiteOwl23

PigFarmer1

Twiroxi

Come on NATO/EU, do something already ffs!

CynicSackHair

Don’t count on help from the Americans, we’re going through some rough shit, but do what what you gotta do to protect yourself

Pryoticus

SkipEyechild

Strayed8492

Of course it was not accidental.  Putin probably wanted to see how Poland/NATO react to his latest poking to see if he can push some more but not annoy Poland into increasing aid or worse send in their troops into Ukraine.,

After all, Putin already called in North Korean troops as mercenary to fight Ukraine so he has set precedent.

macross1984

Not sure what this will accomplish but it is clearly necessary. Might slightly influence third countries which Russia is targeting with diplomacy I guess

Arm Ukraine, help them protect airspace, build your own defence to deter the next Russia's offence. Now the whole of Europe is hanging on a thin trench line held by worn out Ukrainian soldiers, under-supplied and desperate, with constant news on alias betrayals like growing Ukrainian sentiment in Poland and US playing together with Putin.

magpieswooper

Putin thumbing his nose at the West and, specifically, Donald Trump.

Gareth009

Of course it wasn't an accident. Putin keeps testing, testing, testing a little bit at a time and there's never any response in return. There never has been. Each time he pushes the envelope a little bit more and gets away with it. The only real question is if that will ever change.

MowvayFronsay

Ignorant American here, what will it take for NATO to intervene?

rainshowers_5_peace

This is easy, NATO. 

Warn them that next time there is an incursion, NATO will establish a no-russian aircraft zone that extends 50 km from all NOTA borders into willing countries like Ukraine(and Russia too, if they want our help) in order to ensure that 'accidental' drones don't land on NATO territory and accidently damage relations.

Your move Russia. Yeah Meddy, you have nuclear weapons, geez, you're worse than Gandhi.

Vaulters

'Totally an accident, which will keep repeating, accidentally" - United States Of America and Russia Confront Poland, Romania, Allies at UN...


If Poland wants to accomplish anything, it will need to send it's troops or at least set up a no fly zone over Ukraine.

shady8x

Russian aggression must be met with absolute force.

That75252Expensive

Vladimir, STOP! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

MarienBean

Romania says a Russian drone entered its airspace during strikes on Ukraine, tracking it until it vanished near Chilia Veche. Poland also scrambled jets after multiple drone incidents near its border. 

Ukraine’s president calls it a clear sign that Russia is expanding its drone operations and is urging tougher sanctions and stronger defense cooperation from the West.

NoMedicine3572

Only so many times you can poke someone in the eye before you get slapped

Prestigious_Field_18

It seems like poor military strategy to spread out your focus and resources to multiple fronts, when you’re losing luster (and countless poor souls) on what seems like their primary focus of Ukraine. Though this seems par for the course with the poor leadership and critical thinking of Russia

StormOk2357

The good news is, at least this is great for optics against Russia. I assume it's much harder to spin this as west's fault by the far right extremists in our countries. The main sentiment across Europe here is unified in its frustration with Russia.

Mexer

Nobody wants to accept that this is not going to stop until he's six feet under. We all hold out hope that WW3 can be avoided, but it's already here. The longer we deny this, the more we will suffer.

Quigleythegreat

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The following is a copy of the original post to record the post as it was originally written by /u/BalticBro2021.

Over the course of the Ukraine invasion, several Russian drones have crashed or flown through airspace of NATO countries, mostly Poland, but also Romania and Lithuania.  Tonight, it looks like Russia intentionally flew several drones into Poland, clearly a probing attack seeing what Poland would do in response, which forced the closure of Warsaw's airport, as well as airspace closures while the Polish military worked to intercept them.  So far, there hasn't been any NATO response to any of these incursions.  Clearly Russia is seeing what they can get away with and it should be met with some level of retaliation.   

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Poland shot down Russian drones and NATO jets were scrambled.  So action was taken.

It is time that Ukraine was provided with whatever is needed to take out the Kerch bridge.  Blowing that thing up could be the end of Putin.  That would be the kind of humiliation that can't be hidden.

I405CA

Should have been a global military response when Russia invaded Ukraine

No-Ear-5242

Yes. Proportional, with a bit of escalation.

Due_Satisfaction2167

If they’re not cleared for that airspace, they should be shot down.

engadine_maccas1997

Yes, absolutely there should be. The sites where the drones were launched from should be targeted. And, NATO allies should send troops to Ukraine and assist with destroying logistical networks Russia is using to support their invasion.

7figureipo

Yes, the red line is any attack on NATO soil. Russia cannot get away with this.

Baconkings

Shoot down the drones if they are unauthorized to be in their  airspace.


Responses to provocations must be balanced. We want to avoid another war in Europe that spirals into another global war.

Aven_Osten

Yes, and if it happens again, we should launch missiles at the site from which the drones were launched even if it is in Russia. If they wish to escalate further, we can go from there.

Cyclosporine_A

To me, a proportional response would be to figure out a link to invaders occupying Ukraine and then destroy those forces. Then send Russia bill for the cost of fixing their problem.

wonkalicious808

Poland should start making parts for the Flamingo cruise missiles, especially the engines (which are commercial grade, and have other obvious applications), under license, and ship those to Ukraine to be assembled and fired.  This way, Ukraine's manufacturing can be shielded from attack.

twilight-actual

Romania reported a breach of its airspace by a Russian drone amid rising tensions with NATO countries related to the Ukraine conflict.

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